Lovelock says Gaia is Doomed

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"GAIA" SCIENTIST SAYS LIFE DOOMED BY CLIMATE WOES
By Peter Griffiths
Reuters
February 25, 2009

uk.reuters.com/article/us...5EU20090225 <uk.reuters.com/article/us...EU20090225>

LONDON - Climate change will wipe out most life on Earth by the end of this
century and mankind is too late to avert catastrophe, a leading British
climate scientist said.

James Lovelock, 89, famous for his Gaia theory of the Earth being a kind of
living organism, said higher temperatures will turn parts of the world into
desert and raise sea levels, flooding other regions.

His apocalyptic theory foresees crop failures, drought and death on an
unprecedented scale. The population of this hot, barren world could shrink
from about seven billion to one billion by 2100 as people compete for
ever-scarcer resources.

"It will be death on a grand scale from famine and lack of water," Lovelock
told Reuters in an interview on Wednesday. "It could be a reduction to a
billion (people) or less."

By 2040, temperatures in European cities will rise to an average of 110
Fahrenheit (43 Celsius) in summer, the same as Baghdad and parts of Europe
in the 2003 heatwave.

"The land will gradually revert to scrub and desert. You can look at as if
the Sahara were steadily moving into Europe. It's not just Europe; the whole
world will be changing in that way."

Attempts to cut emissions of planet-warming gases such as carbon dioxide
(CO2) in an attempt to reduce the risks are probably doomed to failure, he
added.

Even if the world found a way of cutting emissions to zero, it is now too
late to cool the Earth.

"It is a bit like a supertanker. You can't make it stop by just turning the
engines off," he said before the release of a new book on climate change.

"It will go on for a long, long time. If by some magic you could suddenly
bring the C02 down, it wouldn't suddenly cool off."

SAFE HAVENS

Campaigns to promote recycling and renewable energy sources such as wind and
solar power are a waste of time, Lovelock adds, although he concedes that
nuclear power will help meet growing demand for energy.

While financial markets and politicians promote carbon emissions trading
schemes to reduce emissions and help the environment, Lovelock says they,
too, will have little effect.

"I don't see the efforts of governments around the world succeeding in doing
anything significant to cut back the emissions of carbon dioxide," he said.

Efforts should instead be focused on creating safe havens in areas which
will escape the worst effects of climate change.

In his book, "The Vanishing Face of Gaia," he adds: "We have to stop
pretending that there is any possible way of returning to that lush,
comfortable and beautiful Earth we left behind some time in the 20th
century."

The destruction of natural ecosystems for farmland, deforestation and the
rapid growth of the human race and livestock have all exacerbated the
problem, he added.

Scientists should not underestimate the crucial role of the oceans as an
indicator of rising temperatures and tool for reducing carbon dioxide,
Lovelock argues.

"Most of the Earth's surface is the ocean. That holds 800 times more than
the atmosphere or the land. And there is no question that the ocean is
steadily warming," he said.

A former skeptic of doom-laden predictions, Lovelock admits he is not
entirely comfortable with his role as a modern-day Cassandra, the cursed
prophetess of Greek mythology whose counsel was ignored.

However, he says the scale and speed of the looming crisis are so great he
must speak out. He is still struck by the public's apparent lack of urgency
about the problem.

"Don't blame me for the terrible predictions," said Lovelock, a sprightly,
trim figure with silver hair who looks younger than his age and was soberly
dressed in navy jumper, tie and casual trousers.

"The U.N.'s IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) even in its
2001 report was suggesting temperatures by 2040 and 2050 that were
devastatingly hot. All I'm doing is drawing people's attention to it."
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Brian
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    Re: Lovelock says Gaia is Doomed

    Tue, March 3, 2009 - 9:26 AM
    there you go
    of course in his scenerio some life survives and he hopes at some point perhaps millions of years in the future a new dominant life form will arise on the planet and perhaps they will make a better run of it than did we homo sapiens?
    So he's hopeful only on a much larger scale - like Gaia Herself
    • Re: Lovelock says Gaia is Doomed

      Tue, March 24, 2009 - 9:28 AM
      Climate is far more complex than this Lovelock guy can predict. I have seen climate change models that show the desert southwest in the US becoming more wet. Many climate change scientists see the situation as more of a shift than a blanket warming. As far as life going away, that is just bullshit. I think if the scenarios play out, it will disrupt the human dominance over the planet, but not destroy life. The life on this planet has endured shifts far more intense than this guy is predicting.

      While humans may thin, the life on the planet will go on. Scientists are actually discrediting their own predictions with knee jerk nonsense like this.
      • Re: Lovelock says Gaia is Doomed

        Tue, March 24, 2009 - 9:36 AM
        I'll also add that the blanket warming hypothesis is now the best way to fuel the new plans for this green economy and many scientists are driven by politics to make predictions that fit into a comforting scenario that will give Wall Street a nice hard on. At this point, there is a difficulty in predicting the exact reactions the planet will have to this situation. A better safe than sorry approach is good, but it is bad to have the "scientific" predictions be influenced by the politics of a Wall Street economy.

        Again this does not dispute climate change, just the mainstream ideas of it now being "in" to say that the end of the world is coming in 50 years. Humans have a tendency to believe that events only matter in the short time of our lifespan.

        But saying "Gaia is Doomed" sells books.
  • Re: Lovelock says Gaia is Doomed

    Sat, May 16, 2009 - 11:30 PM
    First, James Lovelock is an impressive scientist of the highest order.

    I am not certain that things will play out exactly as he outlines it but then I don't think anyone else can be either. The biosphere is such a complex system and our knowledge and models so primitive by comparison good predictions are simply not possible now. Sadly, If we increased our study and efforts on this problem tenfold we may still be beyond the point of no return when we arrive at a better answer. It may be that rising temperatures and sea levels are what do us in but there is plenty of additional nightmares on the horizon. It is also important to realize that the biosphere is not in equilibrium. What this means is that even if we stopped emitting CO2 tomorrow the earth would continue warming for decades and perhaps centuries. Species are going extinct at alarming rates; more and more areas experiencing shortages of fresh water while we pump 'fossil water' at unsustainable rates; and the more we rely on monoculture crops the more susceptible they are to pests and diseases. In short there are simply too, too many humans taking resources from the earth far more rapidly than can be sustained. The population is over 6 billion and headed to 9 billion before this century will be half over. Reasonable scientists have estimated the earth can support only between one and two billion of us.

    Lovelock is absolutely correct that the momentum of our current global materialistic culture cannot be turned toward wiser policies easily or rapidly. We call our species homo sapiens (wise man) but we are far less rational than we wish to believe and much closer to the animal life we try to hold ourselves separate from than we might admit. Even an order of magnitude increase in conservation and recycling will not be enough. It will only postpone things by a few years or a few decades. I personally believe before we are flooded or suffer heat prostration shortages of food and water will lead to increasing political tension and eventually war. I do not necessarily feel all life on earth will end but human extinction is a possibility although not a certainty. Every week there is more news of glaciers and ice sheet melting, habitat loss, species endangerment and environmental degradation. It is not a pretty picture. Sometimes I feel like we are in a car fighting fervently over a piece of jewelry while the vehicle is headed off a cliff.

    I am not wise enough to see a way out of this but I believe it is always better to light a candle (or an LED powered by renewable energy) than to curse the darkness. What we must not do is deny there is a critical problem or try to keep this wolf from our door by calling it a puppy.



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      Re: Lovelock says Gaia is Doomed

      Sun, May 17, 2009 - 12:52 AM
      Well good. Humans area n infection and Gaia needs to rid herself of this infection and get well again. The human virus needs to adapt or die. And by adapt I mean learn to live in harmony with Gaia and each other.
  • Re: Lovelock says Gaia is Doomed

    Tue, June 9, 2009 - 8:11 PM
    Actually, if the planet undergoes severe climate, sea, and heat woes, it might help to convince the die-hard intractables that something is very wrong with the planet. Provided that these people can accept that something needs to be done, it is possible to conceive of a crash-program being instituted. Something on the scale of Dr. Klaus Lackner's synthetic trees, or perhaps nuclear power plants around the world which operate several elaborate scrubbers at multiple locations.

    Sometimes things have to get worse before they get better, if only to convince the naysayers that they're wrong.
  • Re: Lovelock says Gaia is Doomed

    Fri, October 16, 2009 - 12:50 AM
    He can not be serious, unless by "life" he means only humans and their dependent species. Shrug.
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      Re: Lovelock says Gaia is Doomed

      Fri, October 16, 2009 - 4:16 AM
      He may be serious however one has to wonder whether Gaia and humans have the same definition of "DOOM" in their minds.

      Does Gaia think emotionally and finite like the average human?

      If humans are thought of as a virus in Gaia's system then environmental catastrophes caused by humans like global warming are similar to a fever that destroy a virus in a human body when it becomes sick. The fever kills the virus the human keeps on living. Gaia wipes out humans in a maelstrom that they create Gaia keeps on living even if it means starting over from slime just like day one.

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