How to talk to global warming skeptics

topic posted Thu, June 19, 2008 - 3:35 PM by  Brian
This is a well organized and fairly comprehensive resource of responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming.

gristmill.grist.org/skeptics
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    Re: How to talk to global warming skeptics

    Thu, June 19, 2008 - 6:14 PM
    How do you talk to global warming idiots like Dan in the Peak Oil tribe? You know god makes the weather.
    • Re: How to talk to global warming skeptics

      Fri, June 20, 2008 - 7:18 AM
      Inform then that by finding a way off most CO2 emissions -- you can stop being beholden to foreign markets for your energy needs, and therefore you can keep more of your money...
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        Re: How to talk to global warming skeptics

        Fri, June 20, 2008 - 7:10 PM
        Hah, there is a fixed 30% you know the Bush, Limbaugh, cult of jesus crowd that will not liesten to anything a liberal has to say period. There is no convincing them.

        The real question now is how to go around them and get the legislation needed enacted, with all their kicking and screaming in the background?
        • Re: How to talk to global warming skeptics

          Sun, June 22, 2008 - 3:26 PM
          as soon as you use the words "liberal" or "conservative" you've lost. they are buzzwords used by zealots and propagandists. they have no real meaning anymore. there is no convincing any zealot, regardless of which side of the table they are on. they want to get their legislation passed, too (despite your kicking and screaming).
          • Re: How to talk to global warming skeptics

            Tue, June 24, 2008 - 7:31 AM
            Pictures before and after of the polar ice-caps are worth a thousand words.
            Of course the come-back is that it has all happened before, and it's a natural cycle.
            Thus, we're in God's hands, and man - the pesky insect, couldn't possibly have caused it.
            And they have a point. Though, they're just arguing because they are afraid to let into their consciousness the possibility that their own way of life might be destroying the planet.. It would just be too much for them to take. That's why they chose to mindlessly let "God handle everything" and take all the credit for life and death.

            But, it's not Global warming that'll kill us, it's the dwindling supply of resources coupled with the exponential population growth. We'll be meeting the maker soon! The forests have been stripped in Africa, burned in Borneo, and they're mostly gone in Brazil - because they are a food source. The oceans are being systematically sterilized for the same reason.. All foresight is lost when you have to feed your family.
            The mass extinction is real, and it is coming. God or no god.
            • Re: How to talk to global warming skeptics

              Sun, June 29, 2008 - 4:33 AM
              The mass extinction will come from loads of backward people who have been hypnotised by the media hype actually believing that anything can be done to stop the current changes.
              This article by Mitch Battros says enough:

              "Largest Ozone Depletion Caused by the Sun

              Dr. Paal Brekke took a few minutes to discuss a most recent event. It was just two weeks ago when a consortium of scientist from the University of Colorado made a stunning announcement. According to Research Associate Cora Randall of CU-Boulder's Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics, nitrogen oxide and nitrogen dioxide gases in the upper stratosphere climbed to the highest levels in at least two decades in spring 2004. The increases led to ozone reductions of up to 60 percent roughly 25 miles in altitude above Earth's high northern latitudes, said Randall. This decline was completely unexpected, and was caused as a result of chemical reactions triggered by energetic particles from the Sun.

              Dr. Brekke's response on so-called global warming: "The original 'hockey stick' which all this global warming was based as brought forward by James Hansen and Michael Mann, is bad data. Whole climate time periods were left out. They erased entire centuries of climate related to the Medieval mini-Ice age. It is now safe to say this so-called "hockey stick" is broken". We quickly agreed that the "climate always changes", and has done so for the life of this planet, with or without humans.

              Dr. Brekke does acknowledge it is very difficult to distinguish what percentage is caused by the Sun and what percentage is cause by humans. A general premise would suggest as according to Dr. Brekke it may be 70% caused by the Sun and 30% caused by humans. But this was a general statement made to give an example of confusing hypostasis. But that is Dr. Brekke's assumption, as for myself and not having the monolith such as NASA breathing down my neck, I easily step forward and say. . . all current research suggest something closer to 3% to 12% of the current warming trend is human induced. By far the majority of what we see unfolding today and in the near future is 88% to 97% solar induced. There is one area Dr. Brekke and myself more closely agree. . . the IPCC is a "joke" filled with self-centered, self-seeking, agenda driven, cloaked lobbyist who have no vested interest in science. No, what drives this team of fascist zealots is simply MONEY. "

              And this one:

              Study Discovers Lava Spewing Activity
              By eCanadaNow News
              Jun 26, 2008 - 10:34:00 AM

              North Pole- In a series of different expeditions on the Arctic Seafloor, there have been a number of volcano spots located that are actively spewing red-hot lava out of the seafloor.

              It has revealed itself as an explosive geographical location, with fountains of molten lava and gas that are springing out of different volcanoes under the sea near the North Pole.

              The researchers that went in search of ocean floor conditions near the North Pole were surprised to discover the intensity and variety of volatile activity beneath the Arctic Ice.

              The returned from their exploration and journey to the North Pole with data and images showing off red hot locations where Magma and rocks rise from deep in the Earth’s Core.

              Jets and fountains of material are sometimes blasted up to two kilometres up into the water, beneath the ice.

              The study and research expedition was conducted by Geophysicist Robert Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.

              They journeyed to the North Pole and their entire expedition is described in the journal “Nature Today,” including the estimate that some of the underwater volcanoes have activity that expel rocks and lava at more than 500 metres a second.

              And there's loads more!
              • Re: How to talk to AGW advocates

                Sun, June 29, 2008 - 4:35 AM
                Open Letter to the Secretary-General of the United Nations

                Dec. 13, 2007

                His Excellency Ban Ki-Moon

                Secretary-General, United Nations

                New York, N.Y.

                Dear Mr. Secretary-General,

                Re: UN climate conference taking the World in entirely the wrong direction

                It is not possible to stop climate change, a natural phenomenon that has affected humanity through the ages. Geological, archaeological, oral and written histories all attest to the dramatic challenges posed to past societies from unanticipated changes in temperature, precipitation, winds and other climatic variables. We therefore need to equip nations to become resilient to the full range of these natural phenomena by promoting economic growth and wealth generation.

                The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has issued increasingly alarming conclusions about the climatic influences of human-produced carbon dioxide (CO2), a non-polluting gas that is essential to plant photosynthesis. While we understand the evidence that has led them to view CO2 emissions as harmful, the IPCC’s conclusions are quite inadequate as justification for implementing policies that will markedly diminish future prosperity. In particular, it is not established that it is possible to significantly alter global climate through cuts in human greenhouse gas emissions. On top of which, because attempts to cut emissions will slow development, the current UN approach of CO2 reduction is likely to increase human suffering from future climate change rather than to decrease it.

                The IPCC Summaries for Policy Makers are the most widely read IPCC reports amongst politicians and non-scientists and are the basis for most climate change policy formulation. Yet these Summaries are prepared by a relatively small core writing team with the final drafts approved line-by-line by government representatives. The great majority of IPCC contributors and reviewers, and the tens of thousands of other scientists who are qualified to comment on these matters, are not involved in the preparation of these documents. The summaries therefore cannot properly be represented as a consensus view among experts.

                Contrary to the impression left by the IPCC Summary reports:

                z Recent observations of phenomena such as glacial retreats, sea-level rise and the migration of temperature-sensitive species are not evidence for abnormal climate change, for none of these changes has been shown to lie outside the bounds of known natural variability.

                z The average rate of warming of 0.1 to 0. 2 degrees Celsius per decade recorded by satellites during the late 20th century falls within known natural rates of warming and cooling over the last 10,000 years.

                z Leading scientists, including some senior IPCC representatives, acknowledge that today’s computer models cannot predict climate. Consistent with this, and despite computer projections of temperature rises, there has been no net global warming since 1998. That the current temperature plateau follows a late 20th-century period of warming is consistent with the continuation today of natural multi-decadal or millennial climate cycling.

                In stark contrast to the often repeated assertion that the science of climate change is “settled,” significant new peer-reviewed research has cast even more doubt on the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused global warming. But because IPCC working groups were generally instructed (see ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/docs/...08-14.pdf) to consider work published only through May, 2005, these important findings are not included in their reports; i.e., the IPCC assessment reports are already materially outdated.

                The UN climate conference in Bali has been planned to take the world along a path of severe CO2 restrictions, ignoring the lessons apparent from the failure of the Kyoto Protocol, the chaotic nature of the European CO2 trading market, and the ineffectiveness of other costly initiatives to curb greenhouse gas emissions. Balanced cost/benefit analyses provide no support for the introduction of global measures to cap and reduce energy consumption for the purpose of restricting CO2 emissions. Furthermore, it is irrational to apply the “precautionary principle” because many scientists recognize that both climatic coolings and warmings are realistic possibilities over the medium-term future.

                The current UN focus on “fighting climate change,” as illustrated in the Nov. 27 UN Development Programme’s Human Development Report, is distracting governments from adapting to the threat of inevitable natural climate changes, whatever forms they may take. National and international planning for such changes is needed, with a focus on helping our most vulnerable citizens adapt to conditions that lie ahead. Attempts to prevent global climate change from occurring are ultimately futile, and constitute a tragic misallocation of resources that would be better spent on humanity’s real and pressing problems.

                Yours faithfully,

                [List of signatories]

                The following are signatories to the Dec. 13th letter to the Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations on the UN Climate conference in Bali:

                Don Aitkin, PhD, Professor, social scientist, retired vice-chancellor and president, University of Canberra, Australia

                William J.R. Alexander, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa; Member, UN Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000

                Bjarne Andresen, PhD, physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark

                Geoff L. Austin, PhD, FNZIP, FRSNZ, Professor, Dept. of Physics, University of Auckland, New Zealand

                Timothy F. Ball, PhD, environmental consultant, former climatology professor, University of Winnipeg

                Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Merian-Schule Freiburg, Germany

                Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, Hull University, U.K.; Editor, Energy & Environment journal

                Chris C. Borel, PhD, remote sensing scientist, U.S.

                Reid A. Bryson, PhD, DSc, DEngr, UNE P. Global 500 Laureate; Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research; Emeritus Professor of Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin

                Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic regions, Alberta

                R.M. Carter, PhD, Professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia

                Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa

                Richard S. Courtney, PhD, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.

                Willem de Lange, PhD, Dept. of Earth and Ocean Sciences, School of Science and Engineering, Waikato University, New Zealand

                David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma

                Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.

                Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington University

                Lance Endersbee, Emeritus Professor, former dean of Engineering and Pro-Vice Chancellor of Monasy University, Australia

                Hans Erren, Doctorandus, geophysicist and climate specialist, Sittard, The Netherlands

                Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University

                Christopher Essex, PhD, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Associate Director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario

                David Evans, PhD, mathematician, carbon accountant, computer and electrical engineer and head of ‘Science Speak,’ Australia

                William Evans, PhD, editor, American Midland Naturalist; Dept. of Biological Sciences, University of Notre Dame

                Stewart Franks, PhD, Professor, Hydroclimatologist, University of Newcastle, Australia

                R. W. Gauldie, PhD, Research Professor, Hawai’i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, School of Ocean Earth Sciences and Technology, University of Hawai’i at Manoa

                Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas; former director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey

                Gerhard Gerlich, Professor for Mathematical and Theoretical Physics, Institut für Mathematische Physik der TU Braunschweig, Germany

                Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, sc.agr., Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, INTTAS, Paraguay

                Fred Goldberg, PhD, Adjunct Professor, Royal Institute of Technology, Mechanical Engineering, Stockholm, Sweden

                Vincent Gray, PhD, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of ‘Climate Change 2001, Wellington, New Zealand

                William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University and Head of the Tropical Meteorology Project

                Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Connecticut

                Louis Hissink MSc, M.A.I.G., editor, AIG News, and consulting geologist, Perth, Western Australia

                Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Arizona

                Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, AZ, USA

                Andrei Illarionov, PhD, Senior Fellow, Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity; founder and director of the Institute of Economic Analysis

                Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist, Chairman – Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland

                Jon Jenkins, PhD, MD, computer modelling – virology, NSW, Australia

                Wibjorn Karlen, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden

                Olavi Kärner, Ph.D., Research Associate, Dept. of Atmospheric Physics, Institute of Astrophysics and Atmospheric Physics, Toravere, Estonia

                Joel M. Kauffman, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemistry, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia

                David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial Research, New Zealand

                Madhav Khandekar, PhD, former research scientist, Environment Canada; editor, Climate Research (2003-05); editorial board member, Natural Hazards; IPCC expert reviewer 2007

                William Kininmonth M.Sc., M.Admin., former head of Australia’s National Climate Centre and a consultant to the World Meteorological organization’s Commission for Climatology Jan J.H. Kop, MSc Ceng FICE (Civil Engineer Fellow of the Institution of Civil Engineers), Emeritus Prof. of Public Health Engineering, Technical University Delft, The Netherlands

                Prof. R.W.J. Kouffeld, Emeritus Professor, Energy Conversion, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands

                Salomon Kroonenberg, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Geotechnology, Delft University of Technology, The Netherlands

                Hans H.J. Labohm, PhD, economist, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations), The Netherlands

                The Rt. Hon. Lord Lawson of Blaby, economist; Chairman of the Central Europe Trust; former Chancellor of the Exchequer, U.K.

                Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary

                David R. Legates, PhD, Director, Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware

                Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS

                Bryan Leyland, International Climate Science Coalition, consultant and power engineer, Auckland, New Zealand

                William Lindqvist, PhD, independent consulting geologist, Calif.

                Richard S. Lindzen, PhD, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

                A.J. Tom van Loon, PhD, Professor of Geology (Quaternary Geology), Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznan, Poland; former President of the European Association of Science Editors

                Anthony R. Lupo, PhD, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Dept. of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri-Columbia

                Richard Mackey, PhD, Statistician, Australia

                Horst Malberg, PhD, Professor for Meteorology and Climatology, Institut für Meteorologie, Berlin, Germany

                John Maunder, PhD, Climatologist, former President of the Commission for Climatology of the World Meteorological Organization (89-97), New Zealand

                Alister McFarquhar, PhD, international economy, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.

                Ross McKitrick, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph

                John McLean, PhD, climate data analyst, computer scientist, Australia

                Owen McShane, PhD, economist, head of the International Climate Science Coalition; Director, Centre for Resource Management Studies, New Zealand

                Fred Michel, PhD, Director, Institute of Environmental Sciences and Associate Professor of Earth Sciences, Carleton University

                Frank Milne, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Economics, Queen’s University

                Asmunn Moene, PhD, former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway

                Alan Moran, PhD, Energy Economist, Director of the IPA’s Deregulation Unit, Australia

                Nils-Axel Morner, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden

                Lubos Motl, PhD, Physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic

                John Nicol, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Physics, James Cook University, Australia

                David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa

                James J. O’Brien, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State University

                Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western Australia

                Garth W. Paltridge, PhD, atmospheric physicist, Emeritus Professor and former Director of the Institute of Antarctic and Southern Ocean Studies, University of Tasmania, Australia

                R. Timothy Patterson, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University

                Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, Minnesota

                Ian Plimer, PhD, Professor of Geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide and Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia

                Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of Geology, Sedimentology, University of Saskatchewan

                Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Planetary Geology and Isotope Geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences

                Alex Robson, PhD, Economics, Australian National University Colonel F.P.M. Rombouts, Branch Chief – Safety, Quality and Environment, Royal Netherland Air Force

                R.G. Roper, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology

                Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands

                Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, B.C.

                Tom V. Segalstad, PhD, (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway

                Gary D. Sharp, PhD, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, CA

                S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia and former director Weather Satellite Service

                L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario

                Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville

                Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of Chemical Science and Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm, Sweden

                Hendrik Tennekes, PhD, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute

                Dick Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands

                Brian G Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.), Technology Manager – Industrial Energy Efficiency, Adjunct Associate Professor of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College Park; Dept of Energy, Washington, DC

                Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD, geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand

                Len Walker, PhD, Power Engineering, Australia

                Edward J. Wegman, PhD, Department of Computational and Data Sciences, George Mason University, Virginia

                Stephan Wilksch, PhD, Professor for Innovation and Technology Management, Production Management and Logistics, University of Technolgy and Economics Berlin, Germany

                Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland

                David E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng., energy consultant, Virginia

                Raphael Wust, PhD, Lecturer, Marine Geology/Sedimentology, James Cook University, Australia

                A. Zichichi, PhD, President of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva, Switzerland; Emeritus Professor of Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Italy

                Copy to: Heads of state of countries of the signatory persons.
                • Re: How to talk to AGW advocates

                  Sun, June 29, 2008 - 4:39 AM
                  More from Mitch Battros:

                  "Volcanic Contribution

                  When volcanoes erupt, they emit gases such as carbon dioxide and sulphur dioxide. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. This means that it helps to keep the earth warm. In the past, the amount of carbon dioxide released by volcanoes helped to maintain the balance of gases in the earth's atmosphere. However, this balance is now being upset through the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation. If too much carbon dioxide is produced, temperatures around the world could go up, leading to global warming.

                  The sulphur dioxide produced by volcanoes causes the problem of acid rain. When it mixes with water vapour in the air, it forms a weak acid which then falls to the ground in rain, snow or dust.

                  The eruption of Mount Pinatubo in June, 1990 may produce more effect on so-called global warming than a decade of human pollutants. Airborne debris from Pinatubo has interfered with Earth's natural climate as a result of the plumes of ash, carbons, and metals blow into our stratosphere. Pinatubo's lingering effects will subside after almost a decade of significant influence.

                  Since 1980, scientists have monitored geologic unrest in Long Valley Caldera and at adjacent Mammoth Mountain, California. After a persistent swarm of earthquakes beneath Mammoth Mountain in 1989, earth scientists discovered that large volumes of carbon dioxide (CO2) gas were seeping from beneath this volcano. This gas is killing trees on the mountain and also can be a danger to people. The USGS continues to study the CO2 emissions to help protect the public from this invisible potential hazard.

                  Geologists have detected CO2 emissions, like those at Mammoth Mountain, on the flanks of other volcanoes, including Kilauea in Hawaii and Mount Etna in Sicily. Measuring the rate of such gas emissions on the flanks of volcanoes or within calderas is difficult and labor intensive. Readings must be made at many locations using small gas-collection instruments placed on the soil.

                  A preliminary estimate of the current rate of CO2 gas emission at Mammoth Mountain is 1,300 tons per day. Similar rates of CO2 emission have been measured from the craters of Mt. St. Helens (Washington) and Kilauea (Hawaii) volcanoes during periods of low-level eruptive activity. Past eruptions at Mammoth Mountain, such as the phreatic (steam-blast) eruptions that occurred about 600 years ago on the volcano's north flank, may have been accompanied by CO2 emissions. Scientists think that the current episode of high CO2 emission is the first large-scale release of the gas on the mountain for at least 250 years, because the oldest trees in the active tree-kill areas are about that age."
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                    Re: How to talk to AGW advocates

                    Sun, June 29, 2008 - 4:59 AM
                    While the naive eco-zealots are ranting-on about reducing CO2 emissions, the truth about CO2 following the temperature levels and being a trace gas (at 386 ppm in the Earth's atmosphere), means that the zealots are talking a load of politically and elite media-led rubbish that is designed to stop most humans being ready for the shift of ages so long prophecied.

                    The elite are building shelters against the great changes yet to come, and know that they can hide away while millions-billions of humans perish from cataclysms, impacts, volcanoes, or whatever, and because the food has all been used up for ethanol (to supposedly 'combat climate change') most will simply starve to death in a few weeks! Easy!

                    The 'CO2 causes most climate change' story is a scam designed for profit and the biggest advocates are the same lying, cheating, war-mongering, war criminals and 'human' deviants that control the banking and governments of the planet. And look how so many eco-zealots, and their devoted followers of the new religion, are bowing before the elite and their scam!

                    But the real science facts speak volumes. CO2 is a trace gas in the atmosphere, which humans create less than half of. That means that Humans cannot possibly be responsible for climate changes with CO2. Humans may be partly responsible in a variety of ways (cutting forests, species destruction, EMFs, pollution of environment, negativity, abuse of children, wars, mining, etc) but NOT with CO2 emissions.

                    This CO2 story is a distraction from the real human contribution. It is a story for the ignore-ant and idiots!